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The truth is I don't know why I'm making this post, it's more than obvious that DJI has already ended his life with the Mavic Mini 1, but I wanted to know what you think about it?

I know you will say that DJI already launched the SDK precisely because of that, but do you think we will receive some new photographic mode or did he simply abandon it?
 
The truth is I don't know why I'm making this post, it's more than obvious that DJI has already ended his life with the Mavic Mini 1, but I wanted to know what you think about it?

I know you will say that DJI already launched the SDK precisely because of that, but do you think we will receive some new photographic mode or did he simply abandon it?
I'm with you on this one...
 
The truth is I don't know why I'm making this post, it's more than obvious that DJI has already ended his life with the Mavic Mini 1, but I wanted to know what you think about it?

I know you will say that DJI already launched the SDK precisely because of that, but do you think we will receive some new photographic mode or did he simply abandon it?
As we all have. Ive watched a ton of YouTube reviews and read even more from random sources. And ive yet to find a bad review for it. Cant say the same for any of there other drones. Theres always haters. I dont think it would be wise to abandon us, dji would piss off a lot of people. The pocket 2 was also just released. Along with an update to the mimo app to support it. With the update i did get some new features on my first addition osmo pocket. Just gotta hope they do the right thing with the MM.
 
The truth is I don't know why I'm making this post, it's more than obvious that DJI has already ended his life with the Mavic Mini 1, but I wanted to know what you think about it?

I know you will say that DJI already launched the SDK precisely because of that, but do you think we will receive some new photographic mode or did he simply abandon it?
In terms of features you got what you paid for so why do you feel not adding new features is abandoning it?

Abandoning it would be no new bug fixes.
 
Totally agree with you guys. I purchased my mini about a month ago and had I known I would have waited a little longer to get the mini 2. I hope they improve something for mini 1 to keep us happy. Not many people are able to make another purchase after they got another one recently.
 
Totally agree with you guys. I purchased my mini about a month ago and had I known I would have waited a little longer to get the mini 2. I hope they improve something for mini 1 to keep us happy. Not many people are able to make another purchase after they got another one recently.
I promise you - NO NEW FEATURES for mini 1.
You’re gonna have to just get over it.
Don’t shoot the messenger
 
I promise you - NO NEW FEATURES for mini 1.
You’re gonna have to just get over it.
Don’t shoot the messenger

Or if they do, it'll be pretty much what apps like Litchi are already doing in the Beta version using DJI's already existing SDK. (ie: Panoramic mode and ability to adjust saturation, sharpness, and contrast).
 
The thing is, Litchi doing by SDK that isn't natively available has the app so all the work with detailed control going over radio.

With features included in the firmware, the AC does all the work, even when communications is spotty.

The MM hasn't quite been out a year, so we could get a few new features. With the Fly app being brand new with limitations, and DJI skimping on features on new releases that should be included (M2 a prime example, not having Precision Landing for almost 6 months), there's still a chance for some additional enhancements. Granted not only does the MM2 supersede the MM, the MA2 also does.
 
I think some new features will come out. Specifically Raw shooting since the chips is capable.

I also see them adding more quick shot options.

Beyond that I don't see much more.
 
I promise you - NO NEW FEATURES for mini 1.
You’re gonna have to just get over it.
Don’t shoot the messenger
Well, I am also a bit disappointed. On April 20th, I bought the mini combo pack. About 5 months later, DJI releases a new version of the Mini with better specs, and it appears it is now abandonning support for the numerous Mini 1 owners. What e.g. about the battery temperature issue in the DJI FlyApp?
It is a bit crazy to think that people will spend several 100s of dollars every 6 months to keep on track, so I think I will keep enjoying my Mini 1 for quite some time to come. Who knows they will release a Mini 3 in a few weeks or months?
 
Well, I am also a bit disappointed. On April 20th, I bought the mini combo pack. About 5 months later, DJI releases a new version of the Mini with better specs, and it appears it is now abandonning support for the numerous Mini 1 owners. What e.g. about the battery temperature issue in the DJI FlyApp?
It is a bit crazy to think that people will spend several 100s of dollars every 6 months to keep on track, so I think I will keep enjoying my Mini 1 for quite some time to come. Who knows they will release a Mini 3 in a few weeks or months?
I mean we were "unlucky" that the Mini 2 came out a year after the Mavic Mini.

I researched prior to purchasing (I bought mine even later than you! In August 2020), and a lot of DJI drone products are at least 2 years before they release the next version (e.g. the Mavic Air).

I am very surprised that DJI decided to release the Mini 2 a year after the Mavic Mini because they literally have no other credible competition (HolyStone 510?) in the <250g category and can easily "milk" the sales of the Mavic Mini for another couple of years.

But with consumer electronics these days, you should not expect long-lasting cycles. Just look at mobile phones!

And just to add I am angry as well, seeing as DJI seem to have deliberately limited the original Mavic Mini's capabilities - looking at DJI Mini 2 vs. Mavic Mini: The Best Mini Drone Ever - DJI Guides. A lot are software limitations and can easily be activated with a firmware update.
 
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I mean we were "unlucky" that the Mini 2 came out a year after the Mavic Mini.

I researched prior to purchasing (I bought mine even later than you! In August 2020), and a lot of DJI drone products are at least 2 years before they release the next version (e.g. the Mavic Air).

I am very surprised that DJI decided to release the Mini 2 a year after the Mavic Mini because they literally have no other credible competition (HolyStone 510?) in the <250g category and can easily "milk" the sales of the Mavic Mini for another couple of years.

But with consumer electronics these days, you should not expect long-lasting cycles. Just look at mobile phones!

And just to add I am angry as well, seeing as DJI seem to have deliberately limited the original Mavic Mini's capabilities - looking at DJI Mini 2 vs. Mavic Mini: The Best Mini Drone Ever - DJI Guides. A lot are software limitations and can easily be activated with a firmware update.
I agree the fully 100%, especially your last paragraph :mad:
 
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We all hope they will do a firmware upgrade, but for DJI it is better to spend $600 or $450 on a new drone.

And unfortunately writing around here is just a waste of time, DJI doesn't care if their drone is obsolete, they just want to sell nothing else
 
Well, I am also a bit disappointed. On April 20th, I bought the mini combo pack. About 5 months later, DJI releases a new version of the Mini with better specs, and it appears it is now abandonning support for the numerous Mini 1 owners. What e.g. about the battery temperature issue in the DJI FlyApp?
It is a bit crazy to think that people will spend several 100s of dollars every 6 months to keep on track, so I think I will keep enjoying my Mini 1 for quite some time to come. Who knows they will release a Mini 3 in a few weeks or months?
Unless it’s going to make your car crash they don’t give Firmware updates for a $40,000 car.
If they found some thing that would make the drone crash they update the firmware other than that no
So I’m not sure about your dismay.You got what you paid for in the future don’t expect more If you get a new feature consider it a gift if you get it
 
the new Mini2 was not released to make the MM obsolete ,it is an attempt to answer ,many of the requests from consumers ,about the shortcomings of the first MM ,you have to remember that the MM was DJIs first attempt at a light weight drone to address the new rules,that allows drones under 250 g to avoid a lot of the increased regs, that were ,and are being adopted around the world.
i have had my MM since launch day november 2019 and have completed well over 150 flights during a year of very restricted flying time due to lockdowns,travel restrictions and weather in the UK
 
the new Mini2 was not released to make the MM obsolete ,it is an attempt to answer ,many of the requests from consumers ,about the shortcomings of the first MM ,you have to remember that the MM was DJIs first attempt at a light weight drone to address the new rules,that allows drones under 250 g to avoid a lot of the increased regs, that were ,and are being adopted around the world.
i have had my MM since launch day november 2019 and have completed well over 150 flights during a year of very restricted flying time due to lockdowns,travel restrictions and weather in the UK
Well, I don't think anybody is suggesting that DJI is deliberately sabotaging the MM1. I just think it might have been prudent of DJI to update the MM1 with some of the MM2 capabilities within reason, and within the MM1's hardware capabilities to demonstrate to existing and potential future owners that there exists at least a bit of added value potential in a DJI drone purchase.
 
its a fact that tech moves at a very fast pace ,and although i can understand the comments people are making ,it is just the way things are today ,the latest and greatest ,does not stay that way for very long ,and it does not stop me from enjoying the MM that i have
 
Totally agree with you guys. I purchased my mini about a month ago and had I known I would have waited a little longer to get the mini 2. I hope they improve something for mini 1 to keep us happy. Not many people are able to make another purchase after they got another one recently.

For what I have seen and heard the mini 1 is still better then the 2. The new remote is not as handy. The photos are great on the mini just no raw like the 2. So that not major if your basic into minor corrections and 4K is really not as important unless your a professional. You can make 1080 look just as good with editing.
Now the 2 does handle better in the wind that's the up side
So I have heard if you have to 1 DO NOT UPGRADE to the mini 2
Just what I've seen and heard from some actual flyers not profession YouTube editing clips to upsale it.
This is just some input not wanting to start a riot all. lol.
 
For what I have seen and heard the mini 1 is still better then the 2. The new remote is not as handy. The photos are great on the mini just no raw like the 2. So that not major if your basic into minor corrections and 4K is really not as important unless your a professional. You can make 1080 look just as good with editing.
Now the 2 does handle better in the wind that's the up side
So I have heard if you have to 1 DO NOT UPGRADE to the mini 2
Just what I've seen and heard from some actual flyers not profession YouTube editing clips to upsale it.
This is just some input not wanting to start a riot all. lol.

Now owning both. There's a couple points (numbered in case further discussion) I want to touch on.

1) The Remote , while it would no longer fit nicely into my pre existing shoulder bag that I was using, it does hold a lot more juice, and I can much more quickly get it set up and put away. My phone even with its case on fits into it just fine, and it feels a bit more natural having the screen above the controls. But alas for a product called the "mini", it's heavy and large. I can understand why they just decided to recycle the Air 2 controller, especially with the change to Ocusync (which is an absolute noticeable upgrade over my mini and haven't dropped video in such a short range as I did with the mini). I can also get it charged without having to remove the phone's cable (not a big deal, but convenient).

2) The photos are far from 'great', mainly coming from a professional photographer. The jpegs are a tad over processed and when you view the image at 100% all the details are quite chunky as one way of putting it, which comes to no doubt being a small 1/2.3" sensor, however my old Pentax Q10 from 2011 or so produces a much cleaner result (granted there are more lens options for the Q10 including the prime 8.5mm f/1.9). Though when shooting the Q10 beyond f/2.8 it starts to show a very similar level of quality loss due to diffraction that mirrors what I saw in the jpeg of the mini, so lens is one factor but the processing done on the in-drone chip is another factor. The Mini 2 jpegs are better, the details are a little cleaner or at the very least masked better to look more like subtle grain rather than chunks, and the raw files improve details beyond that as well. Still not a 'great' camera, but the mini2's rendering of both jpeg and raw is definitely noticeably better than that of the first mini (which can probably be improved by a firmware update if they choose to, since I fault most of that to software).

3) 4K , I would agree with you to some respect that 1080p will look just as good in the end uploading to 1080p (and most of my uploads end up as 1080p even with shooting at 4K initially). And 4K downsampling to 1080p would be even better for color redention (if no crops or zooms are done), plus the idea of doing the dolly zoom effect. Most of which may fall more under your category of 'professional'. But what is a very big game changer is not the 4K resolution, but the bit rate going from 40Mbps ( a rather dated cap especially for 2.7k ), going to 100Mbps. While 100Mbps isn't really that high end, it makes a difference (mainly professionally) and I would have been happy with the 2.7K if they just had it recording at 100Mbps I could have easily faked an upsample to 4K without discernable quality loss, or had a very stellar 1080p downsample in post from that. So while the 4K is nice and it catches them up with the rest of their competitors, the bit rate is where they needed to focus the most attention, especially as they were already advising people to buy V30 microSD cards which can handle upward to 240Mbps just fine, let alone 40Mbps or 100Mbps.

I would also agree that for the most part, end user consumers don't really typically have the hardware to do much useful editing of 4K video footage, especially in something that is a heavy CPU toll to decode (H.264 format, great compressed size, but takes a bit of CPU to decode in an editing software, and then to encode back). 1080p is much more suited for some plethora of filters or such (or anyone attempting to use Davinci Resolve free version on a computer from 5 years ago). But you can still get crops and dolly zoom effects from 2.7K just fine, just not as dramatically.

4) Wind resistance is definitely a plus, didn't realize how much I would need it in my region til there's been week here and there where it's only a few mph above what the drone could handle comfortably without fear of it getting drifted away. So that's much more of a matter of where you want to fly, since I can see basic consumers having a big problem with that.

I also noticed that the mini 2 is quieter , not by much but enough that it felt subtle and calm as one way of putting it.

Regarding not upgrading if you already have a Mini 1. Guess that depends on what you use it for, as you said, general consumers should still be happy with it, sans needing to be pickier about wind forecast. Or course if you're made of money... :p

Some of the Mini 2 advertised features are not really much to sweat about, for example the Panoramic modes they offer will only shoot each frame at 3Megapixels, the resulting stitched image is at most 9 megapixels, less than the resolution of a single shot. You get a better result shooting manually (which is better now with the raw ability), but that's usually something that professionals already do, that consumers need help with (Microsoft Image Composite Editor btw is free and pretty consumer friendly, just make sure each frame overlaps the previous one by about 20% for the best results).

Likewise because the SDK is out already for the Mini, the Litchi Beta app which supports it for $25 (as opposed to a whole new $450~600 drone), does the Panoramic feature quite well, it's configuration is just not as user friendly (setting the degrees of coverage, rows, columns, etc manually). And each frame is shot at the full 12.4Megapixels, so the stitching will actually yield a large resolution image. It won't do the stitching in the phone but you can use Microsoft ICE for that. So even though it's in a slightly lower quality Jpeg, you're going to end up with a better panoramic stitching using a Mini + Litchi Beta than you will from the Mini 2 built in (Though I understand most consumers are just going straight to social media with their panos, and not print).

Also in regards to the Mini 2 pano, the app actually crashed on me midway thru a 180 degree panoramic capture, and was RTH shortly after the drone itself finished up the last 3 shots (kept shooting while the app was crashed).

Also some of the advertised features on launch day never made it into the actual product. On the DJI Blog/Buyer Guide comparing the Mini 2 to the Mini, they stated the Mini 2 had 4K Hyperlapse, it does not, and they only recently corrected that typo. I believe they said the same of Live streaming at 720p, and that too is no where to be found on the Mini 2.

But long story short, as I short of concur with you thinking about what general consumers may notice or not notice, if you already have a Mini and not really made of money, hold onto it, the Litchi Beta app among others that support the mini still offers more than the mini 2 in terms of functionality. But if you don't have the mini 1, or want to take advantage of financing (assuming credit score lets you), the Mini 2 is definitely a better drone to get if it was a matter of either-or with only that 50 price difference.

Main thing I would hope for the Mini is that they do get a firmware update that at least improves upon the bit rate even if they don't give 4K, and that maybe in roughly a year when most people would have exhausted their Care Refresh (I think 2 is the max years you can have on one drone?), that someone manages to come out with a firmware hack to unlock a lot of the software locks (which 4K is supposedly a software lock on the Mini).

But since my plan to use the Mini 2 is both for fun, and because I want to use it for potential clients, having 4K out of the box already, and DNG raws were a desired must (without having to go shell out for a Mavic 2 Pro, or deal with the bulk that comes with it). The idea being that I can just carry a tiny little bag with the rest of my photo gear when it's like you know... this could work with a drone...
 

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